Add subdivision to improve support for bagpipes

Bagpipes have a unique time signature for 6/8 in that there are two beats for that measure to match to and one beat is three eight notes. So marching it is one R and one L So we need that option in the drop down to show 3 eight notes as one beat

Hey, I think you can already achieve what you want. What if you set a 2/8 time signature, and then set a triplet subdivision? Then you'd have 2 beats, each with a triplet?

That would be a work around but no bagpiper or pipe band would know to do that given our history is 6/8 and 9/8 and 12/8 and 15/8. The three eight note sets make one beat to march or play drums. So a 15 /8 has 5 beats. Then thosw beats could have one eight note played slightly longer and other 2 weaker lighter for dancers. Would be helpful to hace a setting that exactly matches this eapecially for new bagpipers who are not professional grade music majors. U have an excellabt product ans would be nice to aee it fit Celtic music instrument music. Metronomes are especially critical foe bagpipers given high tempos and band play or dancers

So if I understand it correctly, instead of subdividing a single beat into multiple clicks, you want to combine multiple beats together into a single click? Does it mean with a 6/8 time signature you only want to hear 2 clicks and with a 15/8 time signature you want to hear 5 clicks? OK I think I understand the suggestion now - I think this would be technically possible, but to prioritize this over other features we'd need a few more upvotes than 1 :P Let's see what the future holds...

Merged "App: Bagpipe time signatures (/6, /9, /12)" #332

Found another thread that had 7 upvotes already... " Bagpipes have 6 and 9 and 12 and 15 /8 tempos The beat is every three 3——1/8 notes. Can u put in a setting for this and u would capture the bagpipe community Bull The Winkle SF Moose a year ago That would be excellent for a song like Black Rose (Roisin Dubh) by Thin Lizzy Gard.rotmo a year ago Merged into App: Add subdivision to improve support for bagpipes#692 Florian Simmendinger in a few seconds "

Good Morning and Yes I started that initial thread --Bull Winkle Moose is my online name. So for bagpipes, our 6/8, 9/8, 12/8, 15/8 time signature reflects historical marching as originally the 6/8 would have a left and right foot step. The newer 9/8, 12/8, 15/8 offer more choices for static play and not normally marched to but the beats are still the same every 3 1/8 notes. So Yes the click for a beat would have 2 clicks/beats for 6/8, 3 clicks/beats for 9/8, 4 for 12/8, and 5 for 15/8 . Having the feature to allow the piper to select these time signatures and get the right number of beats---NOT 6, 9, 12 or 15 beats, would fit how we actually play or foot march to the tune. The second challenge is called sub beat emphasis in that the 1/8 notes inside the beat are often in a strong/ weak/ weak pattern with the first 1/8 note being held a smidge longer and others less. How can we show this as an option? But all 3 subbeats 1/8 notes still equal only 1 beat on the metromone and also one foot in marching. Our music theory calls these 3x sub beats Compound Time as it is divided by 3. Simple time divides by 2. Here are extracts from one of our tutors to help and make sure you see the actual way we teach and play.

Hi, thanks for sharing the additional context. I think you are just sharing the strong-weak-weak pattern for context, but unrelated to any required feature, right? So all we would need to do to support you better would be to allow a subdivision that combines 3 beats into one click

The strong weak weak feature is a related but separate feature that perhaps the visual display could eventually help. I am sure other instruments use a sub beat emphasis and style also for certain genre of music. Lets fix part one so it is at least correct and allows us to use ure metronome and other amazing features which are critical for us. Thank u for helping out global community and family of instruments and music.

I mean to clarify, the way I understand is that for each 3 beats there would be one click. What you're saying is that you as a player during those 3 beats that are combined into one click, use a strong-weak-weak pattern, right? Or where would this pattern potentially come into the app - what would the app display or make a sound of, at what point? Sorry for the back and forth

Please read the extracts from the tutor to help u. For the entire family of pipes when we play a time signsture that is 6/8 we have two beats. We put our right and left foot down once marching. The bass drum would bornalky boom twice. The metronome would make a sound twice or its light on cell phone would flash twice. This time signature for us is called compound because each beat has three sub parts which are three 1/8 notes. Simple time the beat is subdivided into two parts such as a 2/4 or 4/4 and a triplet would be those rare occasions where 3 equal notes make one beat. If we play a 9/8 there are three sets of three 1/8 notes for three beats or clicks or booms of bass drum or three foot stomps if marching. If playing a 12/8 there are 4 beats or booms of bass drum and 4 foot stomps downs. A 15/8 a three sets of 1/8 notes for 5 beats. We usually only march in formation to 6/8. Usual tempo marching is around 80. We would never beat each 1/8 note at 240 clicks and try and march! Even a slow march at 60!BPM would be 180 BPM and impossible to march to. Do u understand that first point now? The second part of how we play compound time signature tunes can be that those sub beats or 1/8 notes have a Strong Weak Weak pattern for some music. They still must all three equal one beat or click of boom of bass drum or foot stomp. There can not be audible sound for those individual sub beats because the tempo would be way too high and sound like a machine gun! Can u fix the first part at least so there are a correct number of audible ckicks or flashes of the cell phone light? The second part of how to emphasize sub beats is a separate but related issue and there are many instruments and genres of music that have this particular way of emphasizing sub beat in various patterns. In the morning I will copy here some more extracts of different tutors to show u the same compound time and simple time beak out.

Not sure where we are at in the train story. When u chose any #/8 time signature the just needs to be the option for three×1/8 notes that. Make one Beat. 6/8 has two beats. 9/8 has 3. 12 /8 has four and 15/8 has 5. So in the app the L box selects the TS and the middle selects the note or combination of notes that make one beat. Can u update that box to start? Should be easy fix?

Merged "Compound Time Subdivision Fix" #828

"Bagpipes in all their many versions play 6 9 12 15 and 18 / 8 time signatures need as a subdivision showing three eight notes which for us is one beat. So a 6/8 would have two three eight notes making one beat.for a total in the measure of two beats. A 9/ 8 would have 3 beats and have three three eight note sections. A 12/8 would have 4. 15/8 5. Ect Can’t use ure app for this feature when we play right now. We call the compound time. Just add the fix to the subdivision.

Merged "6/8 9/8 12/8 and 15/8 Time Signs" #1195